Debra Desrosiers, President of the Sacramento Taxpayers Association, walked out of Sam’s Club in Yuba City Saturday and saw a guy at a table collecting signatures for ballot initiatives. “Read the signs… who wouldn’t sign what is on the table? It looks great, right?” Debra said.
“But do you really know what those petitions say? I asked the guy if he was a paid signature gatherer, he said he was a volunteer – a lie. I asked him if he normally just hangs out volunteering to raise taxes on consumers for fun, oh and by the way, he lives in Florida, he doesn’t care.”
“I asked him which one of the petitions would protect Proposition 13, he couldn’t answer – he said I’d have to read them. I already have.”
Debra identified each sign (in bold).
“Mega Corps Pay Their Property Taxes” – “This I assume is referring to the Split Roll – Initiative 19-0008A – Removing commercial and industrial properties from Proposition 13, and reassessing them at market value every year,” Debra said. “But it’s being sold as ‘Increasing Funding for Public Schools, Community Colleges, Local Government Services,’ which it may, but did you see what they are doing with our gas tax? Can you imagine the swings in taxes this will cause for businesses and school budgets trying to calculate revenue? Have you thought about who will pay these tax increases? It’s you and me. When property taxes increase the burden is pushed down hill, the tenants’ rents are increased and the cost of their goods and services increase and we pay more. We end up paying the property tax increase as consumers.”
“When the local gas station gets reassessed, who will pay those property taxes?” Debra asked. “You. When your grocery store gets reassessed, who will pay? You.”
Debra posted a video on youtube of her interaction.
She says, “Ask the petition gatherer this, ‘So, you’re in front of a business that will have increased property taxes and who do you think will pay those taxes?’ I actually heard a petition gatherer tell people that commercial property owners don’t pay anything towards school funding. My head almost exploded as the uninformed petition signers said things like, ‘Ya, get it from the deep pockets.’ I’m not kidding.”
“Property Tax Break” – This is referring to Initiative 19-0003, being sold as “Closing Special Loopholes.” “This would allow ‘portability’ of the tax base for property owners 55+, severely disabled, victims of natural disaster and victims of hazardous waste contamination to move to any county in California and transfer their tax base, which sounds great,” Debra said. “But did you know that we already passed Propositions 60 and 90 that allow that – if a county chooses to participate, only 10 counties choose to participate. To be clear though, this would remove the requirement to buy at equal or lesser value to qualify for the tax base transfer – but if you actually do the math, it is still a huge tax base increase. The other ‘loophole’ is the parent/grandparent to child/grandchild tax base transfer already in effect through Propositions 58 and 193, but listen to this… this would force the heir to physically move into their deceased loved ones home to transfer the tax base. Think about that.”
“Ask the petition gatherer this, ‘You realize that we can already transfer the tax base to a participating county? How about if we get more counties to participate in that “loophole?’”
“Save Prop 13” – “I really have no idea what this is about because every petition related to property taxes on those petition tables is a flat out attack on Proposition 13 and all of the other Propositions passed by voters since 1978 that enhance Proposition 13 for property owners.”
Debra says, “Ask the petition gatherer this, ‘Which one of these petitions will save Prop 13?’ See what they say and let me know, because the real answer is ‘NONE.'”
“The Recall Newsom petition is the bait, it’s on the top of the petition clipboard, under that petition are all the others and I watched people mindlessly sign petition after petition not reading a single word and believing every word the PAID petition gatherer said,” she said. “Be careful, know what you are signing. Please pass the word to your friends.”
Most importantly, “If you think you signed a petition by mistake and are interested in signing a rescission to remove your signature, please let me know,” Debra said. “We can get you to the site that will do that. It’s OK, you didn’t know, but let’s fix it.”
“I’m not telling you what to sign or not sign, but please read the petitions and understand what you are signing. Everything that is circulating right now is on the Secretary of State’s website.”
Double check all ballot initiatives at this link: Initiatives Cleared for Circulation.
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Democrat doublespeak again...
And again....
And again....
Another scam by the blue Democratic Party to impose additional taxes. Remember the businesses that rent from those spaces if this passed their will face horrendous rent increases which of course will be passed on to the consumer. Or some of these businesses will just close up shop and got out of business because they may not have large enought profit margins to sustain such rental increases. The tax happy crowd is at it again. As has been said they never met a tax they didn't like.
Just watched democratic debates
Trump is two term President of the United States
What's new? Every since Jerry MOONBEAM COCKROACH BROWN. We've taking it in the AZZ. We have millions of ignorant SPICS taking over who cant read nor speak English. All they do is drag race, rape our woman and children, sterl catalytic converters and sell drugs. Tell me why we need filth like this in Calimexice, Newbitch and your pet spic Basura!
If we as homeowners don't support the business community in opposing "split roll," don't expect the business community to support us homeowners when in a couple years WE are on the progressive Prop 13 chopping block.
United we (hopefully) stand. Divided we SURELY fall.
You make a lot of sense, but confuse issues too easily in the defense of “Old Prop 13” and “New Prop 13”, which is a General Bond issue, not a Property Tax Issue. The truly onerous of these two is the one involving “Split Role”, which doesn’t have a number yet, as a competing proposition is still gathereing signatures. It taxes commercial at a higher rate is realllllly bad policy.
Portability, however, is good policy, not bad, because it allows most EXISTING home owners to move around the state without fear of higher costs......Why should just a few of the next generation get a break earned by the previous one, at the expense of their peers, for decades from now.....Portability allows for increased choice by the baby boom generation without creating unequal contributions for services by younger gens....and I’m a boomer.
If you wanted to vote against the gas tax- they made you vote YES . Very deceptive the way they word the props.
ATTY'S are TRAITORS PERIOD!!! TRAITORS ATTY'S have taken the JUSTICE SYSTEM to be EVOLVED into ^^^^ GREED OVER GOD--- GREED OVER JUSTICE--- GREED OVER LIFE ---- PERIOD !!! TREASON FOR BLOOD TAX DOLLARS PERIOD
Everybody hates lawyer - until they need one.
Nobody "made them" They didn't care or take the time to READ.
It appears our rights have been overwritten by executive order. that is why the people are pissed. no one should have that much power and not see the dangers
The signature gather is doing it illegally. You have to be a registered voter in California to gather signatures for a petition. Every signature they got needs to be disqualified.
And since when does the powers that be in Cali care if it’s illegal or not??
You are not correct. One does not have to be a registered voter to collect signatures in the state of CA, either vollenteer or paid. They only need to sign the declaration under penalty of perjury that they personally witnessed the signatures being signed and are required to not allow duplicate signatures and make sure all necessary voter information is provided to verify that they are in fact a registered voter signer.
It is not uncommon for professional circulators to travel from state to state to work on issues they choose to work. Every state that participates in the initiative process has their own state laws and requirements but I know very well, as a pro petition circulator residing in California, what the laws of this state is.
Just like prop. 47, The Safe Neighborhoods and Schools Act. The poorly named initiative that lowered some crimes from felonies to misdemeanors. People, don't sign anything unless you understand it.
You should study the English language and grammar rules before attempting to sway opinions.
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wtf
Signatures were illegally obtained.
Turn him in as voter fraud!
What is that website to go to if we signed? I know people that already signed mistakenly and I would like to push out this website.
The City has received multiple inquiries as to “How do I remove my name from a petition?”
As a result we have researched the Elections Code and we reference those with such
inquiry to Election Code Section 9602; stated below:
Elections Code 9602
A voter who has signed an initiative or referendum petition, and who subsequently wishes
his or her name withdrawn, may do so by filing a written request for the withdrawal with the
appropriate elections official. This request shall be filed in the elections official's office prior
to the date the petition is filed. A written request made under this section shall not constitute
a petition or paper for purposes of Section 104.
Go to the Howard Jarvis website.
I speak as a petition signature gatherer... it is my job as a PAID signature gatherer to obtain signatures to put these issues onto the ballot. I am neither FOR nor AGAINST the issue themselves. I am for democracy and the ability to have people vote for issues that may, or may not, help society. I've been told, "You should be ashamed of yourself!" (Like they know my morals and values as a person beyond me getting signatures) to which I responded, "Have a good day". I explain the petition as quickly and accurately as I can. Is there misleading text on it? Probably. However, it's not my job to educate America on the government's language on petitions. Again, I dont stand for or against the issues so I don't put my personal opinion out there, it's not my job to debate with people. It's my job to get signatures. I tell people that if you don't agree with it, then vote "No" on the ballot.
J.G.,
You are actually "FOR" something if you are gathering signatures to bring it forward and put it on the ballot. Don't kid yourself, by thinking you don't have a hand in whatever it is you are promoting as a signature gatherer. Keep your head up high on the things you support and don't gather signatures for the things you don't. Just my 2 cents. - R.
Impeach Trump the Racist TRAITOR,
LMaq, you're an idiot. This is the demonic Democrats bill, it has nothing to do with Trump. Try not regressing on the evolutionary continuum.
You are an idiot!
You sir are a moron do yourself
And the rest of us Patriotic Americans a service. Sew your mouth shut and commence to bang your head on the nearest brick or block wall until you open your eyes. I guess you can’t fix stupid!
So glad you wrote such a clear msg re: the prop 13 issue.....I have been screaming about it for 2 years to those who refuse to see the truth...so my husband and I (both in our 70's, retired and native Californians) are leaving. In 1976, I was a 2 yr bride and a new mama and the tax assessor called and said we owed $600...we didn't have $600 I had to go to my parents, I will never forget the feeling of being kicked in the gut! We worked hard all our lives to raise our kids, made good moves and now have a nice(really too big) house. My taxes based on the PURCHASE price are $6k, under the new prop 13 based on the VALUE of my taxes will go to $25K. IF they go split roll all that you said is right, but, also thousands of small businesses will be forced to close...there goes jobs. I was up at 5 am last week, and they gave a short blurb that LA County is wanting to hire 25,000 real estate appraisers......remember, last year after Christmas that teacher union went out on strike...but, then it just went away...why????? Because they were promised a piece of the tax action to come. WHAT I WANT TO KNOW IS WHERE IS ALL THE LOTTERY MONEY AND OUR STREETS AND BRIDGES SHOULD BE MADE OF GOLD. IF ANY OF THIS GARBAGE PASSES, FLUSH THE TOILET THE CALIFORNIA I GREW UP IN IS GONE.....GOOD BYE, WE WILL BE LONG GONE.
Very well said Sue. I am 53 years old, born and raised in California. I inherited my family home after the passing of my parents. My home is a 1954 home, originally owned by my grandparents. I am on prop 13 as well. I was tricked into signing these petitions the other day! I was misinformed it was to protect prop 13! California is changing for the worse and we may eventually have to relocate out of California. This has always been home to me. It is sad as I can't imagine living anywhere else. I feel for my kids. It us scary times. Prayers!
So, where can you go to “ UN-sign “ ?!
the HJTA website has a flashing red button at the top of their website which takes you to a page to withdraw your signature: https://www.hjta.org/
https://www.hjta.org/withdraw-your-signature-forms/
Katherine you can go to the Howard Jarvis website to remove your signature on that trick petition
So many are leaving. And I don’t blame them. We may too one day.