Opinion: The Debate and Obamacare
‘One of the traditional methods of imposing statism or socialism on a people has been by way of medicine’
By Patrick Wagner, MD, September 12, 2024 7:46 am
As you can probably guess, I was concerned most during the presidential debate about the question of “Obamacare” by ABC and the rapid attack against Trump by Kamala Harris. By her own account as a California senator in 2018, she was very proud of John McCain and his thumbs down vote on ending Obamacare. McCain had recently been diagnosed with terminal brain cancer and promptly died after the vote. He also disinvited Trump from his funeral. She used this event as fuel when she attacked Trump for trying to stop Obamacare. Who was it that prompted her and ABC to venture into “healthcare” in preparation for this debate?
Trump gave a perfect answer to the question. He said Obamacare costs too much and it’s low quality, and that we can make it better. He went on saying we’ve got some concepts, and she countered demanding a plan, not concepts. He reminded Harris that he’s not the president. She almost cryingly pled her regard for the elderly American people and those less fortunate and of low socioeconomic status. It was quite touching.
But she failed to speak about the points I’ve been drilling down on like safety, caring, ethics, and satisfaction with the system she is defending. People just don’t like doctors now. It’s exactly what Ronald Reagan said in the fourth paragraph of his speech to you and me back in 1961 (text of speech below):
“One of the traditional methods of imposing statism or socialism on a people has been by way of medicine. It’s very easy to disguise a medical program as a humanitarian project. Most people are a little reluctant to oppose anything that suggests medical care for people who possibly can’t afford it”.
That system is Medi-Cal, Medicare, Obamacare, Newsomcare… all known as “governmentcare”. And then she passionately defined healthcare as a right for all Americans. Sadly, she is outright erroneous, because medical treatment is a privilege for all Americans, if they pay for it. I know, because I’m a doctor, and they stopped paying me for services rendered, so I quit! Sure, you can go to a grocery store and buy a nice steak, if you pay for it. You don’t have a right to a free steak. Steak is getting very expensive nowadays (but that’s a different topic). When was the last time you rented an apartment without paying rent? The landlord will rightfully define you as a squatter and promptly kick you out. When was the last time you took your dog to the veterinarian and didn’t pay cash for services rendered? The point is that free healthcare offered by a government thief is a violation of my right to demand and receive payment for services rendered! So Kamala simply has her rights and privileges backwards.
Isn’t it interesting when she accused Trump of being “divisive” and pro war when speaks of other sellouts like Dick Cheney? Dick Cheney is a big oil guy. He received a heart transplant in 2012, two years after Obamacare was signed into law. He endorses Kamala Harris for president. So now we have McCain and Cheney utilizing healthcare. Go figure! They are politicians. That word “divisive” really does echo Hillary’s “deplorable,” doesn’t it?
All we can say is, as Reagan put it….”There they go again.” But it’s time for me to speak up as a physician. What I am about to say will insult some, but consider it a plea to wake up, not as a dig.
Last check there were about 62 million adults aged 65 and over in the USA, or 18 percent of the population. I am 73 years old and have experienced life, both as a doctor, a patient, and as a citizen of this fine country. I am one in the demographic, called seniors. I know what I am talking about, and I agree with Trump that we are a nation in decline.
Would you not agree that many seniors will vote this year? For us, there is a lot at stake. So, of those 62 million seniors out there, how many saved their money throughout life to be prepared to retire and finish out solvent without being a burden on others? 10 percent? 35 percent? All you must do is be honest with yourself to answer the question and show me your wallet.
Are you one of those who needed instant gratification, early retirement, hatred of job, and blowing your cash? Did you invest in the big casino (stock market) and lose it all? Did you re-finance your home a couple of times, and now you are stuck with a short sale? Or are you one of those who is doing quite well and happy for the “funny money” you receive in Social Security and of course its adjunct Medicare? In my opinion, you are an absolute jerk.
Or are you one like me, well off because of Providential living? Did you see how amazingly Kamala pistol- whipped Trump last night with her envious statements about his not being the earner of his fortune? It’s almost as if she wanted to say… “You didn’t make all that money. I did, and you stole it from me.” You and those MAGA deplorables!
So, if you are one of those government dependent foolish seniors who can’t afford to carry your own freight, I understand why you need Medicare. But you ought to be ashamed of yourself. Somebody else is going to pay your way for you. And you are going to get lousy, unethical care via Kamala. In fact, you are going to get no care, and your kids and grandkids are going to be paying your way and get no care also. I forgive you and love you and want you to wake up.
If you are one of those middle of the roaders that likes your funny money, recognize that you can easily afford medical care if we beat Kamala in November by rekindling free enterprise medicine and pay for it with cash (tax exempt medical saving accounts) and catastrophic medical insurance. That way your kids and grandkids can buy homes and live the American dream, and they will have top notch doctors who care about them again. I also forgive you and love you and want you to wake up.
I guess what I am trying to say is that we seniors represent a pretty good size voting block, and Kamala really wants you. But if you care about your offspring, and want good medical care, vote your heart rather than your checkbooks.
Finally, look at how much Trump has done for us. I love Trump! Let’s get on board and MAGA! You will decide the future of this amazing place called the USA. You have just received an informed consent, so choose life at its best, not in bondage, but free.
Ronald Reagan Speaks Out on Socialized Medicine, 1961:
My name is Ronald Reagan. I have been asked to talk on several subjects that have to do with the problems of the day.
It must seem presumptuous to some of you that a member of my profession would stand here and attempt to talk to anyone on serious problems that face the nation and the world. It would be strange if it were otherwise.
Most of us in Hollywood are very well aware of the concept, or the misconception, that many people, our fellow citizens, have about people in show business. It was only a generation ago that people of my profession couldn’t be buried in the churchyard. Of course, the world has improved since then: We can be buried now. As a matter of fact, the eagerness of some of you to perform that service gets a little frightening at times.
Now, back in 1927 an American socialist, Norman Thomas, six times candidate for President on the Socialist Party ticket, said the American people would never vote for socialism. But, he said under the name of liberalism the American people will adopt every fragment of the socialist program.
There are many ways in which our government has invaded the precincts of private citizens, the method of earning a living. Our government is in business to the extent of owning more than 19,000 businesses covering 47 different lines of activity. This amounts to a fifth of the total industrial capacity of the United States.
But at the moment I’d like to talk about another way, because this threat is with us, and, at the moment, is more imminent.
One of the traditional methods of imposing statism or socialism on a people has been by way of medicine. It’s very easy to disguise a medical program as a humanitarian project. Most people are a little reluctant to oppose anything that suggests medical care for people who possibly can’t afford it.
Now, the American people, if you put it to them about socialized medicine and gave them a chance to choose, would unhesitatingly vote against it. We had an example of this. Under the Truman Administration it was proposed that we have a compulsory health insurance program for all people in the United States, and, of course, the American people unhesitatingly rejected this.
So, with the American people on record as not wanting socialized medicine, Congressman Forand introduced the Forand Bill. This was the idea that all people of social security age should be brought under a program of compulsory health insurance. Now this would not only be our senior citizens. This would be the dependents and those who are disabled. This would be young people if they are dependents of someone eligible for Social Security.
Now, Congressman Forand brought the program out on that idea of just for that particular group of people. But Congressman Forand was subscribing to this foot-in-the-door philosophy, because he said “If we can only break through and get our foot inside the door, then we can expand the program after that.”
Walter Reuther said “It’s no secret that the United Automobile Workers is officially on record as backing a program of national health insurance.” And by national health insurance, he meant socialized medicine for every American. Well, let’s see what the socialists themselves have to say about it. They say: “Once the Forand bill is passed, this nation will be provided with a mechanism for socialized medicine capable of indefinite expansion in every direction until it includes the entire population.” Well, we can’t say we haven’t been warned.
Now, Congressman Forand is no longer a congressman of the United States government. He has been replaced, not in his particular assignment, but in his backing of such a bill, by Congressman King of California. It is presented in the idea of a great emergency that millions of our senior citizens are unable to provide needed medical care. But this ignores the fact that in the last decade a hundred and twenty seven million of our citizens, in just ten years, have come under the protection of some form of privately owned medical or hospital insurance.
Now the advocates of this bill, when you try to oppose it, challenge you on an emotional basis. They say “What would you do, throw these poor old people out to die with no medical attention?” That’s ridiculous; and, of course, no one’s has advocated it. As a matter of fact, in the last session of Congress a bill was adopted known as the Kerr-Mills Bill. Now without even allowing this bill to be tried, to see if it works, they have introduced this King Bill which is really the Forand Bill.
What is the Kerr-Mills Bill? It is a frank recognition of the medical need or problem of the senior citizens that I’ve mentioned. And it is provided from the federal government money to the states and the local communities that can be used at the discretion of the state to help those people who need it. Now what reason could the other people have for backing a bill which says: “We insist on compulsory health insurance for senior citizens on a basis of age alone — regardless of whether they’re worth millions of dollars, whether they have an income, whether they’re protected by their own insurance, whether they have savings.”
I think we can be excused for believing that as ex-Congressman Forand said, this was simply an excuse to bring about what they wanted all the time — socialized medicine.
James Madison in 1788, speaking to the Virginia Convention said:
Since the general civilization of mankind, I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachment[s] of those in power, than by violent and sudden usurpations.
They want to attach this bill to Social Security. And they say here is a great insurance program now instituted, now working.
Let’s take a look at social security itself. Again, very few of us disagree with the original premise that there should be some form of saving that would keep destitution from following unemployment by reason of death, disability, or old age. And to this end, Social Security was adopted. But it was never intended to supplant private savings, private insurance, pension programs of unions and industries.
Now in our country under our free enterprise system, we have seen medicine reach the greatest heights that it has in any country in the world. Today, the relationship between patient and doctor in this country is something to be envied any place: the privacy, the care that is given to a person, the right to chose a doctor, the right to go from one doctor to the other.
But let’s also look from the other side — at the freedom the doctor loses. A doctor would be reluctant to say this. Well, like you, I’m only a patient, so I can say it in his behalf. The doctor begins to lose freedoms; it’s like telling a lie, and one leads to another. First you decide that the doctor can have so many patients. They’re equally divided among the various doctors by the government. But then the doctors aren’t equally divided geographically, so a doctor decides he wants to practice in one town and the government has to say to him, “You can’t live in that town. They already have enough doctors.” You have to go someplace else. And from here it’s only a short step to dictating where he will go.
This is a freedom that I wonder whether any of us have the right to take from any human being.
I know how I’d feel, if you, my fellow citizens, decided that to be an actor, I had to become a government employee and work in a national theater. Take it into your own occupation or that of your husband. All of us can see what happens: Once you establish the precedent that the government can determine a man’s working place and his working methods, determine his employment, from here it’s a short step to all the rest of socialism — to determining his pay, and pretty soon your son won’t decide when he’s in school, where he will go, or what they will do for a living. He will wait for the government to tell him where he will go to work and what he will do.
In this country of ours took place the greatest revolution that has ever taken place in world’s history — the only true revolution. Every other revolution simply exchanged one set of rulers for another. But here, for the first time in all the thousands of years of man’s relation to man, a little group of men, the Founding Fathers, for the first time, established the idea that you and I had within ourselves the God-given right and ability to determine our own destiny.
This freedom was built into our government with safeguards. We talk democracy today. And strangely, we let democracy begin to assume the aspect of majority rule is all that is needed. Well, majority rule is a fine aspect of democracy, provided there are guarantees written in to our government concerning the rights of the individual and of the minorities.
What can we do about this? Well, you and I can do a great deal. We can write to our congressmen, to our senators. We can say right now that we want no further encroachment on these individual liberties and freedoms. And at the moment, the key issue is we do not want socialized medicine.
Now, you may think when I say “write” to the congressman or the senator that this is like writing fan mail to a television program. It isn’t. In Washington today, 40,000 letters, less than a hundred per congressman, are evidence of a trend in public thinking. Representative Halleck of Indiana has said, “When the American people want something from Congress, regardless of its political complexion, if they make their wants known, Congress does what the people want.”
So write. It’s as simple as finding just the name of your congressman or your senator. And then you address your letter to that individual’s name: if he’s a congressman, to the House Office Building; Washington, D.C. If he’s a senator, to the Senate Office Building, Washington, D.C.
And if your this man writes back to you and tells you that he too is for free enterprise, that we have these great services and so forth that must be performed by government, don’t let him get away with it. Show that you have not been convinced. Write a letter right back and tell him that you believe in government economy and fiscal responsibility; that you know that governments don’t tax to get the money they need; governments will always find a need for the money they get, and that you demand the continuation of our traditional free enterprise system.
You and I can do this. The only way we can do it is by writing to our congressmen even if we believe that he is on our side to begin with. Write to strengthen his hand. Give him the ability to stand before his colleagues in Congress and say: “I have heard from my constituents and this is what they want.” Write those letters now. Call your friends and tell them to write them.
If you don’t, this program, I promise you, will pass just as surely as the sun will come up tomorrow; and behind it will come other federal programs that will invade every area of freedom as we have known it in this country. Until, one day, as Norman Thomas said, we will awake to find that we have socialism.
And if you don’t do this and if I don’t do it, one of these days you and I are going to spend our sunset years telling our children, and our children’s children, what it once was like in America when men were free.
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THANK YOU, Dr. Wagner for publishing this EXCELLENT wake-up call to California citizens (and voters, which isn’t the same constituency) and putting this out there in BLACK AND WHITE about the INSANITY of Democrat “feel-good” healthcare platforms that are COMMUNISM wrapped up in “compassion”, that stick “everyone else” with the bill….
Cackling comrade Kamala’s pretend crocodile tears during the debate about her regard for the elderly American people and those less fortunate and of low socioeconomic status was anything but touching? If she and the rest of the criminal Democrat mafia in power thought that socialized medicine was so great, then they would use it instead of having a premium healthcare program for themselves with immediate access to the best healthcare?
I agree, TJ. Her trembling voice and over the top facial expressions are typical Harris ploys because she is all superficial style and little or no substance – hence, the word salads. If she had a strong inner moral compass, it would show as genuine empathy and in specific policy proposals. All she can do is spout platitudes.
We just lost our primary care physician who is leaving to work for Kaiser; not by choice. He said that he and the other doctors were told to attend an “orientation” in San Jose and he imagined that it was going to be like sitting in a large room and being indoctrinated by the CCP. I suggested that he not say that to his fellow doctors at the gathering (for his own sake). The medical practice that he was with is closing down “due to the rising cost and complexity of running a small medical practice”. It seems that what happened in the retail industry with the likes of Amazon and Walmart driving out the small retailers is also happening in the healthcare sector……but, unlike retailers, the COSTS to the patient keep rising and if you are not on Medicare you are in deep do-do; unless you have the financial resources of people like the Obamas. Obamacare was the greatest healthcare boondoggle of the century – Their big LIE: “You can keep your current doctor.”
America a debtor nation thus forced fascism a necessity: America’s once private sector economy is no more thus we’re all being transitioned to wards of the state.
Every breath we draw and drop of water we drink essentially facilitated by our irreconcilable deficit; for how much longer?
Worry not as our defense secretary and secretary of state authorized missle strikes by The Ukraine on Moscow. If your flesh not melted from your bones radiation poisoning will be in the offing ensuring a painful agonizing passing.
America beyond the point of no return thus the fascists comrades reign.
Our structured and orchestrated termination apparently in play.